Oil Filter Thread

HEMIMANN · May 15, 2024

Sherman Bird said:
Perhaps Purolator made a shoddy product. When I was young, had hair, and wasn't fat, I used the orange oil filters that have received bad press these past few years. When torn apart, they do appear to be shoddy, but I am not aware of mass hysteria over failed engines as a result. Mind you, I do not use that brand anymore.

Yeah, I know, I'm about the same demographic. I did have a Fram Orange Can let loose 25 years ago and got smarter about oil filters. Not good for a mechanical engineer in the power train biz, but a guy can't be expert at everything all the time.

I don't have any personal experience with Purolator, but the hate is all over BITOG back when I was a member. They yak about the media being brittle and thin, without proper backing.

JHoward · May 16, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
I'm still fearful of Purolator media tearing.

I'm thinking Fram Endurance looks really good for a 5k OCI filter. I don't think capacity is much of a concern at this nominal OCI. It's better than Fram Ultra and Royal Purple in filtering efficiency and hot oil flow rate.

The filter media on the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 is just as durable as the Royal Purple 20-820. I've tried tearing both with my fingers, actually the Purolator Boss with the filter media having the synthetic mesh backing isn't going to tear because of the way it's formed to the media.

... the difference between the two, is the Purolator Boss has an synthetic mesh backing made onto the filter media and the Royal Purple has the metal mesh backing "attached". Other than that, the media is identical in thickness/quality, imo.

In the pics, you can see where I could tear the RP filter media after separating it from the metal mesh backing versus the PB I couldn't tear ...

I used the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 prior to learning about the Royal Purple 20-820 without any issues.

HEMIMANN · May 16, 2024

Interesting, thank you.

Maybe they did fix their issues? I haven't known Zee0Six from BITOG to be a bs'r, though.

The test results show the Boss performs better than any other filter. Wondering if we should try?

ramffml · May 16, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
Wondering if we should try?

I already got one on my shelf lol. Unfortunately it will be a year before I have any anecdotal data to share one way or the other as I just did an oil change two weeks ago using my last Fram XG2.

Also I didn't see Zeeosix mention tearing on the boss specifically, though maybe I didn't look hard enough.

JHoward · May 16, 2024

ramffml said:
I already got one on my shelf lol. Unfortunately it will be a year before I have any anecdotal data to share one way or the other as I just did an oil change two weeks ago using my last Fram XG2.

Also I didn't see Zeeosix mention tearing on the boss specifically, though maybe I didn't look hard enough.

I do not see, after my visual inspection of the Purolator Boss PBL 24651, how the filter media is going to tear under normal use. I could get a pair of pliers and most likely tear it, where the mesh backing is part of the filter media and I can't separate it using my fingers, where the Royal Purple 20-820, the metal mesh backing can easily be separated and I can tear it's media with my fingers.

Under normal use of either oil filter, I don't believe there will be any tearing or separating, both filter media look and feel durable, imho.

Curmudgeon · May 16, 2024

ramffml said:
I already got one on my shelf lol. Unfortunately it will be a year before I have any anecdotal data to share one way or the other as I just did an oil change two weeks ago using my last Fram XG2.

Also I didn't see Zeeosix mention tearing on the boss specifically, though maybe I didn't look hard enough.

I'm currently running PUP 5w-20 and RP 20-820, I'm planning my next OCI around mid-June, maybe 1 month from now.

I'll install the PBL 24651 and Red Line 5w-30 when I do. I'm not sure sure what I can report, I'm not having any issues currently except that my oil turns coal black within about 500 miles of an oil change.
Maybe the Purolator Boss will help to clean that up, I dunno.

My wife has about 1800 miles on her oil, changed last October, Total synthetic and Mitsubishi filter done at the dealer. As of yesterday her oil is still the color of honey. I4, 2.4L Eclipse - and has not lost a drop of oil.

My truck has about 2500 miles since last OCI in mid December and also no oil lost but it sure gets dirty quickly. No tick either though so...

If I notice anything (or not) I'll post here. I'll also be doing a UOA on the PUP that comes out.

ramffml · May 16, 2024

JHoward said:
I do not see, after my visual inspection of the Purolator Boss PBL 24651, how the filter media is going to tear. I could get a pair of pliers and most likely tear it, where the mesh backing is part of the filter media and I can't separate it using my fingers, where the Royal Purple 20-820, the metal mesh backing can easily be separated and I can tear it's media with my fingers.

Under normal use of either oil filter, I don't believe there will be any tearing or separating, both filter media look and feel durable, imho.

So you're referring to tearing the actual media, correct? You have the "ribbon" in your hands all stretched out and you can't tear it.

But what about tearing/separating the media off of the rest of the filter (so how the media binds to the ends and the center tube, is that "tearable"?

Burla · May 16, 2024

Curmudgeon said:
I'm currently running PUP 5w-20 and RP 20-820, I'm planning my next OCI around mid-June, maybe 1 month from now.

I'll install the PBL 24651 and Red Line 5w-30 when I do. I'm not sure sure what I can report, I'm not having any issues currently except that my oil turns coal black within about 500 miles of an oil change.
Maybe the Purolator Boss will help to clean that up, I dunno.

My wife has about 1800 miles on her oil, changed last October, Total synthetic and Mitsubishi filter done at the dealer. As of yesterday her oil is still the color of honey. I4, 2.4L Eclipse - and has not lost a drop of oil.

My truck has about 2500 miles since last OCI in mid December and also no oil lost but it sure gets dirty quickly. No tick either though so...

If I notice anything (or not) I'll post here. I'll also be doing a UOA on the PUP that comes out.

you have a catch can?

JHoward · May 16, 2024

ramffml said:
So you're referring to tearing the actual media, correct? You have the "ribbon" in your hands all stretched out and you can't tear it.

Yep, although I came across as it was simple to tear the RP, it isn't. My point was I can tear it with much effort with the wire mesh pulled back off of the media and can't tear the PB because of the way it's filter media and synthetic mesh is designed.

JHoward · May 16, 2024

ramffml said:
But what about tearing/separating the media off of the rest of the filter (so how the media binds to the ends and the center tube, is that "tearable"?

The Purolator Boss filter media is held secure at the top and bottom of the filter tube with oil resistant/high temp glue and has at the ajoining filter media, where the media "ends meet", the are crimped together with a metal "clip" and is resistant to tear or come apart. I can't tear it apart glued/assembled together without cutting it apart. It's very well made, imo.

The Royal Purple filter media and wire mesh backing is "two piece" and held into place to the filter tube same as the PB. I cut it with a pair of very sharp scissors so I could "stretch it out" ...

... and to separate the media from the top and bottom of the canister(s), I used a hack saw, lol.

JHoward · May 16, 2024

Curmudgeon said:
I'm currently running PUP 5w-20 and RP 20-820, I'm planning my next OCI around mid-June, maybe 1 month from now.

I'll install the PBL 24651 and Red Line 5w-30 when I do. I'm not sure sure what I can report, I'm not having any issues currently except that my oil turns coal black within about 500 miles of an oil change.
Maybe the Purolator Boss will help to clean that up, I dunno.

My wife has about 1800 miles on her oil, changed last October, Total synthetic and Mitsubishi filter done at the dealer. As of yesterday her oil is still the color of honey. I4, 2.4L Eclipse - and has not lost a drop of oil.

My truck has about 2500 miles since last OCI in mid December and also no oil lost but it sure gets dirty quickly. No tick either though so...

If I notice anything (or not) I'll post here. I'll also be doing a UOA on the PUP that comes out.

I'm tempted to go back and try the Purolator Boss PBL 24651, I've an oci approaching very soon.

HEMIMANN · May 16, 2024

ramffml said:
I already got one on my shelf lol. Unfortunately it will be a year before I have any anecdotal data to share one way or the other as I just did an oil change two weeks ago using my last Fram XG2.

Also I didn't see Zeeosix mention tearing on the boss specifically, though maybe I didn't look hard enough.

He had mentioned on a thread the media appeared similar to the One model. It's a 2023 thread if you want to find it.

JHoward · May 16, 2024

Ok, so on the Purolator Boss, the "SmartFUSION Technology" is what the filter media/mesh backing is termed, I guess that makes sense.

HEMIMANN · May 16, 2024

JHoward said:
Ok, so on the Purolator Boss, the "SmartFUSION Technology" is what the filter media/mesh backing is termed, I guess that makes sense.

Do you know what is in Purolator One?

JHoward · May 16, 2024

HEMIMANN said:
Do you know what is in Purolator One?

From memory, it's an synthetic blend media. Idk what type of synthetic material(s) are used.

Curmudgeon · May 16, 2024

Burla said:
you have a catch can?

No, and I'd like to. I read that adding a catch can is modifying the emissions system of the vehicle and a violation of fed law.

Here's the catch. Where I live in Pennsylvania our vehicles must be inspected for both "safety" and "emissions", every. single. year.
Most likely I would have to remove the catch can prior to inspection, or leave it in and see what happens.

An inspection station would probably just fail the inspection, I would have to return it to stock, and have it re-inspected, I think within like 10 days, to the same station, and get my sticker at no extra cost.

How does it work in California? (I think I recall seeing you lived there, not sure).

Does anyone else jump through EPA hoops of fire like this? Any personal experience out there?

Curmudgeon · May 16, 2024

> And is a "good" one really worth $220? Mishimoto...

https://www.amazon.com/Mishimoto-MM...9-2663-1-1-4302-68-&vehicleName=2014+Ram+1500

Burla · May 16, 2024

You can take them on and off very easy, and the cheap ones work as good as the expensive ones.

Just weird to hear a hemi with dirty oil at 500 miles, I's spend some time on it see what I could come with.

Black1500Ram · May 16, 2024

Curmudgeon said:
No, and I'd like to. I read that adding a catch can is modifying the emissions system of the vehicle and a violation of fed law.

Here's the catch. Where I live in Pennsylvania our vehicles must be inspected for both "safety" and "emissions", every. single. year.
Most likely I would have to remove the catch can prior to inspection, or leave it in and see what happens.

An inspection station would probably just fail the inspection, I would have to return it to stock, and have it re-inspected, I think within like 10 days, to the same station, and get my sticker at no extra cost.

How does it work in California? (I think I recall seeing you lived there, not sure).

Does anyone else jump through EPA hoops of fire like this? Any personal experience out there?

In AZ we have to inspect for emissions and they don’t even pop the hood… most do obd2 or exhaust sniffer if old.

JHoward · May 16, 2024

Curmudgeon said:
No, and I'd like to. I read that adding a catch can is modifying the emissions system of the vehicle and a violation of fed law.

Here's the catch. Where I live in Pennsylvania our vehicles must be inspected for both "safety" and "emissions", every. single. year.
Most likely I would have to remove the catch can prior to inspection, or leave it in and see what happens.

An inspection station would probably just fail the inspection, I would have to return it to stock, and have it re-inspected, I think within like 10 days, to the same station, and get my sticker at no extra cost.

How does it work in California? (I think I recall seeing you lived there, not sure).

Does anyone else jump through EPA hoops of fire like this? Any personal experience out there?

Interesting.

A catch can is collecting oil/water vapors and keeping them from being burned off through the throttle body into the infinite atmosphere. Seems to me that would be an simple upgrade/mod that would be an beneficial thing, let alone better for the engine, jm2¢.

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