What is the best DEF/EGR delete kit?

davisphase10 · Jun 1, 2024

I have a 2014 Dodge Ram 6.7 and I am considering doing a complete delete. Any advice on the best kit? I'm looking for a selectable tune: Low speed in town, Highway, towing. I'm not looking to severely boost HP. It seems there are a lot of choices and I know nothing of the companies, e.g. Explosive Diesel, Unlimited Diesels, Tuner Depot, Elite Diesels + the different types: Race-me, EFILive, GDP MM3, EZLink, etc. Any ideas?

tron67j · Jun 1, 2024

Thanks for not giving a damn about the air people around you have to breath.

chri5k · Jun 1, 2024

I once considered deleting my 2016 when the DEF pump went out and I was going on 30 days without my truck. DEF pumps were on indefinite nationwide back order and two “refurbished” pumps were actually pulls from wrecked trucks that were full of dried out DEF and did not function. I had the delete kit and was ready to install when a new DEF pump came up on EBay.

When the unavailability of a non-critical part causes your truck to become inoperable and worthless one does have to do what one has to do. That said, the various State and Federal environmental agencies are cracking down hard on tuning companies. When you delete, you are wed to the tuning company for support if something goes wrong related to the ECM / engine. They may not be in business when you need them so you will have to find another that supports your chosen tuner. Or buy and install a new tuner from that is supported by the new company.

mtnrider · Jun 1, 2024

What part of Colorado are you in? You need to check what the emission testing requirements are because it will not pass if you delete it.

Ezlynk is the best hardware platform to use but I would Not use tuning from any of those companies you listed.

Daw14 · Jun 1, 2024

If I were in your position I would wait until the election, someone doesn’t like the epa and wants them gone. If the status quo remains enforcement will continue to rise.

06 Dodge · Jun 1, 2024

davisphase10 said:
I have a 2014 Dodge Ram 6.7 and I am considering doing a complete delete. Any advice on the best kit? I'm looking for a selectable tune: Low speed in town, Highway, towing. I'm not looking to severely boost HP. It seems there are a lot of choices and I know nothing of the companies, e.g. Explosive Diesel, Unlimited Diesels, Tuner Depot, Elite Diesels + the different types: Race-me, EFILive, GDP MM3, EZLink, etc. Any ideas?

EFILive,

18CrewDually · Jun 1, 2024

Some info in this video for you to help decide. He goes over some of the differences.

How to FULLY DELETE your 2013-2018 6.7 Cummins AT HOME

How to fully delete your 2013-2018 4th Gen Cummins at home with a kit from the diesel dudes. Full delete kit here: https://shrsl.com/4ke08Review video here: ...

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Choupique · Jun 1, 2024

Don't do it. It isn't worth the money and the BS. Legal issues, reliability issues, service issues, resale issues. Just don't. If the emissions system concerns you, sell it and get a gasser.

huntergreen · Jun 1, 2024

Choupique said:
Don't do it. It isn't worth the money and the BS. Legal issues, reliability issues, service issues, resale issues. Just don't. If the emissions system concerns you, sell it and get a gasser.

Funny, most diesel guys report a more fuel efficient, more reliable and better running truck after a full delete.

Choupique · Jun 1, 2024

huntergreen said:
most diesel guys report a more fuel efficient, more reliable and better running truck after a full delete.

Temporarily. Then the gremlins start popping up, the tuner who did it is out of business, and the owner is stuck with a busted truck. Or, you decide to sell it and the EPA says not so fast my friend.

You're replacing software that has literally billions of miles of testing and validation with software that some guy wrote up in his basement that bypasses fault codes. Legalities aside, it's not a smart thing to do. If you're worried about it, get a gasser.

huntergreen · Jun 1, 2024

Choupique said:
Temporarily. Then the gremlins start popping up, the tuner who did it is out of business, and the owner is stuck with a busted truck. Or, you decide to sell it and the EPA says not so fast my friend.

You're replacing software that has literally billions of miles of testing and validation with software that some guy wrote up in his basement that bypasses fault codes. Legalities aside, it's not a smart thing to do. If you're worried about it, get a gasser.

I do have a gasser. Stopped driving diesels when they d/c the 5.9. Your post does not reflect what other forum members posted in the past.

Choupique · Jun 1, 2024

huntergreen said:
Your post does not reflect what other forum members posted in the past.

There was a time when it made sense. Trucks were getting horrible fuel mileage and longevity and tuners were abundant and open air about operating. Those times are gone. The SCR equipped trucks get about the best fuel mileage possible from the platform and run very low EGR volumes. Tuners have the full attention of the federal government and when yours gets caught, you'll be on the naughty list for them to tend to later.

It's a bad idea these days and there's no good reason to do it.

chri5k · Jun 2, 2024

Choupique said:
There was a time when it made sense. Trucks were getting horrible fuel mileage and longevity and tuners were abundant and open air about operating. Those times are gone. The SCR equipped trucks get about the best fuel mileage possible from the platform and run very low EGR volumes. Tuners have the full attention of the federal government and when yours gets caught, you'll be on the naughty list for them to tend to later.

It's a bad idea these days and there's no good reason to do it.

Except when the emissions part you need to make your truck run without tuning is on indefinite nationwide backorder or Stellantis is price gouging. The pump retails for $2500, the tank $1400 and the little blue plastic filler cap is a whopping $71. Aftermarket pumps have a very hit or miss quality record. Before the pandemic and recent crackdown on tuning the pump was $1000 and the tank was $350.

Choupique · Jun 2, 2024

chri5k said:
The pump retails for $2500,

And unless you just chop the pipe under the cab, a full delete is going to go over $2k by the time it's all said and done. I'm telling yall, it ain't worth it. You'll come out ahead in the long run keeping your truck completely stock.

mtnrider · Jun 2, 2024

Choupique said:
Temporarily. Then the gremlins start popping up, the tuner who did it is out of business, and the owner is stuck with a busted truck. Or, you decide to sell it and the EPA says not so fast my friend.

You're replacing software that has literally billions of miles of testing and validation with software that some guy wrote up in his basement that bypasses fault codes. Legalities aside, it's not a smart thing to do. If you're worried about it, get a gasser.

The Only "gremlins" you need to worry about is your driving habits. The #1 issue with tuning is people crank up the HP and drive it like a race car, which results in broken parts (namely transmissions). Keep the HP at a reasonable level and drive it normally and it's not an issue.

mtnrider · Jun 2, 2024

Choupique said:
And unless you just chop the pipe under the cab, a full delete is going to go over $2k by the time it's all said and done. I'm telling yall, it ain't worth it. You'll come out ahead in the long run keeping your truck completely stock.

$1500 for tuning, hardware, complete exhaust to include a muffler and resonator. Was much cheaper then replacing the DPF filter and has been trouble free ever since (130k miles on tuning). Again, it's all about how you drive it after tuning.

chri5k · Jun 2, 2024

Choupique said:
And unless you just chop the pipe under the cab, a full delete is going to go over $2k by the time it's all said and done. I'm telling yall, it ain't worth it. You'll come out ahead in the long run keeping your truck completely stock.

I paid ~$1500 for the full delete kit with 3 tunes. Like I said, I eventually found the part for a reasonable cost. I consider myself lucky, the emissions system has been working fine and I am at 210,000 miles. At some point, it will need a new SCR and DPF. Those are $1200 - $1500 each. So another $3000 when added to the $2500 for the pump would be $5500. My abacas shows $1500 for a full delete is less than $5500 for emissions parts.

Hemi395 · Jun 2, 2024

Or when a simple Nox sensor can leave you on the side of the road with an otherwise perfectly running truck. If I had a diesel truck, I would find a way to have certain parts fall off.

Choupique · Jun 2, 2024

mtnrider said:
The Only "gremlins" you need to worry about is your driving habits

Busted transmissions and head gaskets aside, you're reliant on a person who wrote a tune in his garage staying in the game if you have an issue arise down the road.

It's fine in the short term. 20 years from now that deleted truck is going to be worthless.

mtnrider · Jun 2, 2024

Choupique said:
Busted transmissions and head gaskets aside, you're reliant on a person who wrote a tune in his garage staying in the game if you have an issue arise down the road.

It's fine in the short term. 20 years from now that deleted truck is going to be worthless.

The tuners I use are professionals, yes there are some hack jobs out there ( just like with everything in life) but a little research before you buy goes a long way. Once the truck is tuned you don't need that tuner to do anything, not unless you are heavily modifying the truck (adding dual turbos or something ridiculous like that). There is no tune "maintenance" required what so ever, Load it and drive.

20 years from now your gas truck will be in the junk yard so what's your point? I can also put my truck back to stock at anytime...

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