Opinions wanted, use Gumout or not to use Gumout?

EdGs · Jun 5, 2024

2015 Ram 1500 SLT QC 5.7 2WD, 187k miles as I write this.

160k of those miles are mine. Never any engine work except oil changes, pcv valve and plugs at 100k miles. I run 87 gas almost exclusively. Oil changes every 10k miles.

Have read a bunch of stuff on here about PEA cleaners, and was tempted to run the Gumout product, Regane, it's called, I think.

Will be gong on a 800 ish mile trip very soon, and am 1500 miles from my next oci. Was tempted to wait until returning to change my oil, even though I will be a couple hundred miles over.

So, do I run 1 or 2 bottles of the gumout on the drive, and change oil on my return, or not run Gumout on the drive, just do instead at some point after my return?

I know things can happen at any point, but looking for my fellow Rammer's thoughts.

I appreciate all advice, thanks.

Burla · Jun 5, 2024

I'd run redline si-1 instead, see thread. Definitely add it right before your trip, cats work better when they are hot for a long time, so this will help burn off what you create when you run a cleaner. If you are gonna use two bottles I'd do it all at the same time = best cleaning happens with higher % not time with lower levels even with more time and miles. When you see these cleaners the only boroscope proof of working is sea foam through vac lines and redline si-1. The tests of gum out such as guys like Chris fix don't show the same results. Even redline has been proven the more concentrated is when you see results, so even redline which is highest pea you don't want to run 1/2 bottle ever.

Dean2 · Jun 5, 2024

If you are talking Gumout fuel system cleaner, I would put it in and run it for the trip. Highway speeds and heat, help clean. Mix on the heavy side for better cleaning. Those cleaners do not typically put all that much stuff into the oil, but you are going to change it anyhow, so if you are concerned, add it half way through the trip and change the oil as soon as you get back.

P.S. I see Burla posted at the same time I was. I would take his advice as to which is the best cleaner.

EdGs · Jun 5, 2024

Unfortunately, I cannot get the Redline product before I go. Guess I will have to do it another time.

I happened to see the Gumout product in the store when I was buying my oil and filter.

(Edit) Actually, I just saw a bottle of SL1 at a local parts store. But they only had one.

So, @Burla, just to clarify, the consensus is to run 2 bottles of SL1 in 1 tank of gas?

Do I have anything to worry about?
I'm sure I have a lot of carbon buildup since I have such high miles on my truck.

Burla · Jun 5, 2024

So occasionally you can get a mis fire when you hyper clean the combustion chamber, it is a UCL and a cleaner, the chances are low, but in theory possible and I have even heard about it before, since you asked. You can lesson the risk by running one bottle and adding 91 gas, but the risk is low anyhow. So look at the thread and the thread linked, one bottle will work well, 1/2 wont. So imo from what I have read, the minimum dose should be one bottle per tank and that is effective. Perhaps the reason redline says maintenance dose should be 1/2 bottle is because most tanks are like truck gas tank 25 gallons, dunno for sure but I'd never run 1/2 bottle after reading the other thread. If I was to use any other pea cleaner, I'd run multiple bottles.

EdGs · Jun 5, 2024

Thank you, @Burla. Mainly worried just because we will be out of area.

Was thinking about running premium as well if I do run a bottle through.

But it is what it is, and I am very blessed that this Ram has been so good to me, I am even still on the original water pump (knock on wood).

Burla · Jun 5, 2024

On the other foot, there is no better time to run a PEA cleaner then a nice long trip. The best part of all of the boroscope including hemi395's is that it cleans slowly, so it isn't gonna dislodge carbon but rather slowly melt it away. And with your cats getting hot on a 800 mile trip, it really is the best time to do it.

Dean2 · Jun 5, 2024

If you can't find Redline locally, may want to find some along your route and make a quick stop to pick it up. Like Burla said, long trips with hot motors clean the best.

Curmudgeon · Jun 5, 2024

EdGs said:
Thank you, @Burla. Mainly worried just because we will be out of area.

Was thinking about running premium as well if I do run a bottle through.

But it is what it is, and I am very blessed that this Ram has been so good to me, I am even still on the original water pump (knock on wood).

FWIW, if you have access to to it, Shell's gas was rated #1 for it's additive pack and cleaning abilities, I think it was rated by AAA but I don't recall.

The rating was a Top 10 list that was posted here a few months ago.
I think Exxon and Chevron were also on the list, I should have saved it.

My issue where I live is that the closest Shell is almost 25 miles away, So I get Sunoco, 2 miles on the interstate.
Good luck on your trip.

BenWade · Jun 5, 2024

Curmudgeon said:
FWIW, if you have access to to it, Shell's gas was rated #1 for it's additive pack and cleaning abilities, I think it was rated by AAA but I don't recall.

The rating was a Top 10 list that was posted here a few months ago.
I think Exxon and Chevron were also on the list, I should have saved it.

My issue where I live is that the closest Shell is almost 25 miles away, So I get Sunoco, 2 miles on the interstate.
Good luck on your trip.

Exactly. The Shell VPower gas is the #1 best treatment for a Hemi. These 10,000 page threads on what oil, oil additives and filter combos when the focus should be on fuel.

Burla · Jun 5, 2024

BenWade said:
Exactly. The Shell VPower gas is the #1 best treatment for a Hemi. These 10,000 page threads on what oil, oil additives and filter combos when the focus should be on fuel.

Well this has nothing to do with oil, and the redline si-1 thread is only 6 pages, and you can run any gas you want yes shell is the best, and your combustion chamber will be filthy, especially with the miles like this fella has. Like I said, it is boroscope proof, so that level of proof rises above shell's marketing?

One thing I did forget ED since this nice gentleman brought up oil, there is some bottom piston and ring perhaps possible now with Valvoline new oil. Look into it, the YouTube showed good cleaning, it is a one two punch with PEA cleaner, one from the top of pistons and one from the bottom. Of course PEA is the active additive techron which is what is in top tier gas, only at si-1 strength it is way more then you receive at the pump, or even a techron bottle. So you don't have to read 10k pages, here is the video on Valvoline oil.

INSIDE Valvoline's SECRET R&D Laboratory to UNCOVER the TRUTH

Every engine begins building up deposits the moment it starts up for the first time. Deposits in the piston ring grooves can negatively affect the performanc...

youtu.be

HEMIMANN · Jun 5, 2024

Nope - Techron quit PEA, remember?

Techron originated PEA then dropped it some years back.
Now there's Red Line SL-1 and CRC. That's it.
Along with Top Tier Certified gasoline brands.

Zoe Saldana · Jun 5, 2024

EdGs said:
2015 Ram 1500 SLT QC 5.7 2WD, 187k miles as I write this.

160k of those miles are mine. Never any engine work except oil changes, pcv valve and plugs at 100k miles. I run 87 gas almost exclusively. Oil changes every 10k miles.

Have read a bunch of stuff on here about PEA cleaners, and was tempted to run the Gumout product, Regane, it's called, I think.

Will be gong on a 800 ish mile trip very soon, and am 1500 miles from my next oci. Was tempted to wait until returning to change my oil, even though I will be a couple hundred miles over.

So, do I run 1 or 2 bottles of the gumout on the drive, and change oil on my return, or not run Gumout on the drive, just do instead at some point after my return?

I know things can happen at any point, but looking for my fellow Rammer's thoughts.

I appreciate all advice, thanks.

Gumout Regane in among the highest PEA - good.

I'd do it before the drive because you engine will be at operating temps for a long time.

Burla · Jun 5, 2024

From Chevron website..

The main difference is additive concentration and rate of deposit clean up. Over multiple fill-ups, Chevron fuels with Techron® will help clean deposits on intake valves and minimize harmful combustion chamber deposits. When added to a full tank of gasoline, a bottle of Techron® results in an additive concentration up to 10 times stronger than Chevron fuels with Techron®, which provides a much quicker clean-up of intake valve deposits left by lower quality gasolines. The high concentration of Techron® also reduces combustion chamber deposits, which can help eliminate deposit-related engine knock or power loss.

As memory serves me techron never dropped PEA, just lowered the %, thus making amsoil pi and redline si-1 the top %.

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Burla · Jun 5, 2024

Current sds techron 10-20% "trade secret", yeah secret is out it is PEA.

Read the si-1 thread for difference of techron tested with boro versus si-1.

This was old techron 20-49%.

BenWade · Jun 5, 2024

Burla said:
Well this has nothing to do with oil, and the redline si-1 thread is only 6 pages, and you can run any gas you want yes shell is the best, and your combustion chamber will be filthy, especially with the miles like this fella has. Like I said, it is boroscope proof, so that level of proof rises above shell's marketing?

One thing I did forget ED since this nice gentleman brought up oil, there is some bottom piston and ring perhaps possible now with Valvoline new oil. Look into it, the YouTube showed good cleaning, it is a one two punch with PEA cleaner, one from the top of pistons and one from the bottom. Of course PEA is the active additive techron which is what is in top tier gas, only at si-1 strength it is way more then you receive at the pump, or even a techron bottle. So you don't have to read 10k pages, here is the video on Valvoline oil.

INSIDE Valvoline's SECRET R&D Laboratory to UNCOVER the TRUTH

Every engine begins building up deposits the moment it starts up for the first time. Deposits in the piston ring grooves can negatively affect the performanc...

youtu.be

Yes, that is my point. The synthetic oil thread is 2500 pages and the Redline Si-1 is 6. There should be more emphasis on which fuels and fuel additives to use over oil and filter combos because the difference in efficacy between fuels is much greater than the difference in efficacy of synthetic oils and filters.

truck2569 · Jun 5, 2024

EdGs said:
2015 Ram 1500 SLT QC 5.7 2WD, 187k miles as I write this.

160k of those miles are mine. Never any engine work except oil changes, pcv valve and plugs at 100k miles. I run 87 gas almost exclusively. Oil changes every 10k miles.

Have read a bunch of stuff on here about PEA cleaners, and was tempted to run the Gumout product, Regane, it's called, I think.

Will be gong on a 800 ish mile trip very soon, and am 1500 miles from my next oci. Was tempted to wait until returning to change my oil, even though I will be a couple hundred miles over.

So, do I run 1 or 2 bottles of the gumout on the drive, and change oil on my return, or not run Gumout on the drive, just do instead at some point after my return?

I know things can happen at any point, but looking for my fellow Rammer's thoughts.

I appreciate all advice, thanks.

Myself

BenWade said:
Yes, that is my point. The synthetic oil thread is 2500 pages and the Redline Si-1 is 6. There should be more emphasis on which fuels and fuel additives to use over oil and filter combos because the difference in efficacy between fuels is much greater than the difference in efficacy of synthetic oils and filters.

If your going to use gumout why not just change the oil. If you want to clean the inside of the motor they make a flush made by Amsoil to do that. When I take long trips I always change my oil first even if it doesn't need it.

Atcer2018 · Jun 5, 2024

EdGs said:
Thank you, @Burla. Mainly worried just because we will be out of area.

Was thinking about running premium as well if I do run a bottle through.

But it is what it is, and I am very blessed that this Ram has been so good to me, I am even still on the original water pump (knock on wood).

Ed, Dean2 had a great suggestion that you can take the single bottle of Si1 you found with you and maybe find another bottle along the way or your at your destination. If you can’t find another bottle of Si1 pick up a bottle of CRC fuel system cleaner or Chevron concentrated fuel system cleaner as they both contain PEA. Run both bottles on the way home if concerned about possible problems. Once home change the oil and feel that sense of accomplishment lol

EdGs · Jun 5, 2024

Yeah, looks like I will get the 1 bottle, and then get another for on the way home.

That way, the first bottle will be on the first fill, and we will have to fill a second time, and use most of the second tank while there, and the second bottle could be used in the fill up at the start of the trip home.

Then, an oil change when home. I did get a Fram FE 2 filter to use as well.

I wish I had time to get a look in the cylinders beforehand, but not possible.

I was asking about the Gumout because that was what was on the shelf when I bought my oil and filter.

It seems that the SL1 is a better product after reading a bit further.

Dodge 1500 4X4 · Jun 5, 2024

EdGs said:
It seems that the SL1 is a better product after reading a bit further.

I've been using it and others I know, and I does a great job in keeping the fuel system and injectors clean/ when I put it in the tank it quiets down the injectors.

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