Caliper Piston Cracked wide open

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Update: swapped out the caliper, bled the line on the new caliper side and took it out for a run and I was no longer able to slowly sink my foot to the floor so..... success! Yesterday when I took it for a test drive it was raining so unfortunately couldn't detect any leaks, but this morning when I went out the inside of the rim and tire was wet, along with a puddle of fluid on the driveway. It was coming right out of the piston, kinda as expected. While I had all my tools out along with the brake bleed vacuum pump tool, I decided just to bleed the whole system only to be met with a rear driverside bleeder screwed that snapped off completely when I was trying to loosen it off, even with WD40 sitting on it for a few hours. So, the systems good right now and the internal portion of the bleeder screw didn't loosen off, but it's looking like my best course of action here may be to just replace the other 3 calipers since this piece of junk continues to break things.

Been an overwhelming year of expenses at the mechanic unfortunately, so once this is taken care of I have another few grand to sink into repairs and then I'll be getting rid of it ASAP. No vehicle out there should require 10k+/year in repairs, and I'm that guy that drives well below the speed limit, avoids bumps, reroutes himself to the smoother roads, and follows the Ram maintenance schedule to a T. Sometimes you just get a lemon! Bummed out is an understatement today, though.
 
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Update: swapped out the caliper, bled the line on the new caliper side and took it out for a run and I was no longer able to slowly sink my foot to the floor so..... success! Yesterday when I took it for a test drive it was raining so unfortunately couldn't detect any leaks, but this morning when I went out the inside of the rim and tire was wet, along with a puddle of fluid on the driveway. It was coming right out of the piston, kinda as expected. While I had all my tools out along with the brake bleed vacuum pump tool, I decided just to bleed the whole system only to be met with a rear driverside bleeder screwed that snapped off completely when I was trying to loosen it off, even with WD40 sitting on it for a few hours. So, the systems good right now and the internal portion of the bleeder screw didn't loosen off, but it's looking like my best course of action here may be to just replace the other 3 calipers since this piece of junk continues to break things.

Been an overwhelming year of expenses at the mechanic unfortunately, so once this is taken care of I have another few grand to sink into repairs and then I'll be getting rid of it ASAP. No vehicle out there should require 10k+/year in repairs, and I'm that guy that drives well below the speed limit, avoids bumps, reroutes himself to the smoother roads, and follows the Ram maintenance schedule to a T. Sometimes you just get a lemon! Bummed out is an understatement today, though.
Glad you were able to identify it and address the issue. I get the sentiment on always spending money on a vehicle. Seems to be a necessary evil. Gotta have wheels. Just nice to have wheels that don't leave your wallet empty.
 

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Bleeder snapped off....

Yep, Canada...(here too), that always makes for a bad day. Nice looking truck though!

Mechanical work has gotten VERY expensive lately. Shop rates have gone up. Lot of techs are parts-replacers ...which costs more and sometimes ends up actually taking LONGER to fix some problems. Vehicles/Trucks have gotten more complex too, which another factor. Some of the engineering 'aids' to eek out that last mile per gallon of fuel economy or driver safety aids or convenience electronics, just adds more layers of stuff to fail. And it ain't cheap to fix ususally.

Talking about expense, my dad just dropped over a grand into a shop which installed a brand new A/C compressor on his car when all it really needed was a $39 clutch assembly (seized bearing ..but not compressor). I was about to order one for him from the internet but then he told me he took it in....and I knew they would sock it to him (and the shop didn't disappoint!). That was a fairly straight forward clutch replacement. Car didn't have that many miles/KM's on it.

Another buddy just got a $4k estimate for a bunch of fairly small Volvo suspension replacement items a few days ago. He's going to DIY most of them. He's got the tools and know-how fortunately.

How many miles on your Tk? Maybe after looking at new tk prices, you'll be inclined to keep it a bit longer. OTOH, 2014 is right in there where there were cam/lifter, ABS & EPS issues...each of which can cost a bundle to resolve. Which in the old days were ever issues at all....
 
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Bleeder snapped off....

Yep, Canada...(here too), that always makes for a bad day. Nice looking truck though!

Mechanical work has gotten VERY expensive lately. Shop rates have gone up. Lot of techs are parts-replacers ...which costs more and sometimes ends up actually taking LONGER to fix some problems. Vehicles/Trucks have gotten more complex too, which another factor. Some of the engineering 'aids' to eek out that last mile per gallon of fuel economy or driver safety aids or convenience electronics, just adds more layers of stuff to fail. And it ain't cheap to fix ususally.

Talking about expense, my dad just dropped over a grand into a shop which installed a brand new A/C compressor on his car when all it really needed was a $39 clutch assembly (seized bearing ..but not compressor). I was about to order one for him from the internet but then he told me he took it in....and I knew they would sock it to him (and the shop didn't disappoint!). That was a fairly straight forward clutch replacement. Car didn't have that many miles/KM's on it.

Another buddy just got a $4k estimate for a bunch of fairly small Volvo suspension replacement items a few days ago. He's going to DIY most of them. He's got the tools and know-how fortunately.

How many miles on your Tk? Maybe after looking at new tk prices, you'll be inclined to keep it a bit longer. OTOH, 2014 is right in there where there were cam/lifter, ABS & EPS issues...each of which can cost a bundle to resolve. Which in the old days were ever issues at all....
Yaaaaaaa she's pretty rusty on anything that moves or gets super hot and loses the undercoating. I do it every year and the former own did it annually as well, but stuff like that doesn't seem to stay oiled!

I have 160k km on mine. it was a former worktruck and lived with a tool trailer on it so it's been mechanically beaten, but it was also maintained regularly and the company I bought it from didn;t wait til things broke to update them. Right after I had the front diff replaced this spring I drove it 200km north and when I started it next it had a tick - a broken manifold bolt.. so there's another issue to deal with haha. I may take the opportunity to put headers on it, or I'll just have the existing manifolds planed and ARP's put in. We'll see!
 

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I just updated my picture, with my 2014.
I was not surprised you had a leak in that , with new pads and rotor, the piston would be in way more, and the crack could be in past seals.
I have lots of experience with old brake systems, as I had lots of old trucks, not so much with rotors.
I have never had any problems with mine, but at my age ,it just sits a lot in the garage at 83 KM ?
One of these days , it will be due for some brake work I guess and trans oil. Gear oil is done.

Where in Ca. if you don't mind me asking.

Jeepwalker, I am not surprised that they would just change the whole compressor, I did not know you could still buy just a clutch.

Back years ago I was going to restore a 1968 Inperial Crown coup I had bought few yrs before at auction. But underneath, where was not one bolt head left , so said to hell with it, just drove it.
The 440 was still good.
 

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All this reminds me of the medical diagnostic proverb "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras"

If you see something broken, start there, instead of looking for another reason why something doesn't work...
 

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"My guess is some tech in the past took a pry bar or C-clamp to push the piston in (to gain enough clearance for brand new pads), and pried on the edge and that's what cracked it. I would bet money on it."
Yes, I've actually witnessed the results of that. Can't think of another reason a phenolic piston would crack, anyways.

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[QUOTE="Jeepwalker,
"My guess is some tech in the past took a pry bar or C-clamp to push the piston in (to gain enough clearance for brand new pads), and pried on the edge and that's what cracked it. I would bet money on it."

That was exactly my intial thought on mine as well when I was doing pads,There was a ding in that outer metal ring you spoke of.I pulled that ring off and saw a couple cracks....then said the same thing as OP.."great now I gotta fix that too".I tore it all open after it was on the bench and found the worst of it....truck stopped fine prior to that.
As for the pedal fade,ill have to learn from what others write on the subject.
 

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[QUOTE="Jeepwalker,
"My guess is some tech in the past took a pry bar or C-clamp to push the piston in (to gain enough clearance for brand new pads), and pried on the edge and that's what cracked it. I would bet money on it."

That was exactly my intial thought on mine as well when I was doing pads,There was a ding in that outer metal ring you spoke of.I pulled that ring off and saw a couple cracks....then said the same thing as OP.."great now I gotta fix that too".I tore it all open after it was on the bench and found the worst of it....truck stopped fine prior to that.
As for the pedal fade,ill have to learn from what others write on the subject.
Damn, that's some kind of messed up.
 

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Bleeding the air out of an ABS valve block is basically cycling the valves and pump. Then afterwards a guy has to re-bleed the brakes to remove any air downstream of the ABS system. It's helpful with scan tool. But it's possible to cycle the abs w/o a tool by getting up some speed & slamming the brakes in a large (secure) empty gravel parking lot a couple times. Then re-bleed as per normal.

That's not a recommendation by me, it's just information what some other owners have done. There's how-to videos on Y/T.
 

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You need to get a scan tool and bleed the ABS system…
No he doesn't. As long as he kept the fluid reservoir topped off as he bled the system he is fine
 
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Bleeding the air out of an ABS valve block is basically cycling the valves and pump. Then afterwards a guy has to re-bleed the brakes to remove any air downstream of the ABS system. It's helpful with scan tool. But it's possible to cycle the abs w/o a tool by getting up some speed & slamming the brakes in a large (secure) empty gravel parking lot a couple times. Then re-bleed as per normal.

That's not a recommendation by me, it's just information what some other owners have done. There's how-to videos on Y/T.
Right, but there isn't any air in the ABS system because I didn't let the fluid level get too low. Maybe I'm missing something but if I'm cycling back and forth between adding more to the reservoir and bleeding at the caliper we're just pushing/pulling more fluid through the ABS valve, not air.
 
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[QUOTE="Jeepwalker,
"My guess is some tech in the past took a pry bar or C-clamp to push the piston in (to gain enough clearance for brand new pads), and pried on the edge and that's what cracked it. I would bet money on it."

That was exactly my intial thought on mine as well when I was doing pads,There was a ding in that outer metal ring you spoke of.I pulled that ring off and saw a couple cracks....then said the same thing as OP.."great now I gotta fix that too".I tore it all open after it was on the bench and found the worst of it....truck stopped fine prior to that.
As for the pedal fade,ill have to learn from what others write on the subject.
This is very similar to what mine looked like. The backs of the pads have little bumps on them, maybe 1/8" high?.. I'm wondering if the other potential cause would be a mechanic prying the caliper off the rotor without backing off the pads with a flat head or something. I believe those little "knobs", at least a couple of them fit inside of the hollow piston, so in order for the caliper to be pulled off, that knob would have to grind past the face/edge of the piston.
 
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