Need Insurance For 3500. State Farm Premium Has Skyrocketed.

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Millions of illegals driving without insurance and wrecking every day and they are the ones getting free health care. No regard for American citizens at all.
Not just illegals but folks lower on the economic scale find car insurance too expensive (but they have an iPhone) so they go without it. If one of those uninsured drivers hits me, my insurance will pay for the repair and try to recoup their costs.

In Michigan, you can not renew your vehicle's registration without proof of insurance. Guess what, no-name car insurance businesses set up shop right next to the SOS offices and will sell a one-month policy so they can get registration. It seems like the system is designed to fail the responsible drivers.
 

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Not just illegals but folks lower on the economic scale find car insurance too expensive (but they have an iPhone) so they go without it. If one of those uninsured drivers hits me, my insurance will pay for the repair and try to recoup their costs.

In Michigan, you can not renew your vehicle's registration without proof of insurance. Guess what, no-name car insurance businesses set up shop right next to the SOS offices and will sell a one-month policy so they can get registration. It seems like the system is designed to fail the responsible drivers.
It's designed to help insurance companies make a profit.

In today's digital age, there is really no reason a vehicle can't be flagged in a system when its insurance is dropped - they accept digital insurance cards, no reason the two systems can't communicate.
 

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It's designed to help insurance companies make a profit.

In today's digital age, there is really no reason a vehicle can't be flagged in a system when its insurance is dropped - they accept digital insurance cards, no reason the two systems can't communicate.
Surely, you jest. Have you not dealt with the idiocracy before? :banghead:
 

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It's designed to help insurance companies make a profit.

In today's digital age, there is really no reason a vehicle can't be flagged in a system when its insurance is dropped - they accept digital insurance cards, no reason the two systems can't communicate.

Except cost, will to do it, and privacy concerns.

Simplest thing to do is mimic the system in Qatar. Insurance is purchased for the entirety of the registration period before the registration is renewed. Insurance can't be cancelled by either party during that time. No new tech required, no new enforcement mechanisms required, etc. *however* it would be a burden to the poor, who can't afford to pay their entire premium up front.
 

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I've been with state farm over 25 years and never had an issue. Sure rates would go up a little every year or so but nothing bad. The last year and a half or so it seems like they go up quarterly, with no tickets, accidents and being around 7500 miles a year on the truck. Recently bought a 1990 LeBaron convertible non turbo with a 5 speed for a beat around car and to teach the wife how to drive stick. Called insurance and wanted Liability and Comprehensive only on it. When they came back with it being under 20.00 a month less then the wife's 2008 Santa Fe with full coverage (and car rental) and it being a 3rd car for 2 drivers it's making me start to look at different places. I just did a quick quote with progressive and full coverage on the LeBaron was less then State Farm wanted for not full coverage. I'm waiting to see about cost for collectors insurance to see how cheap that will hopefully be. In about 7 months I would pay state farm more in insurance then I paid for the car and the book value on it is only about 2k in perfect shape (it's not).
 

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Except cost, will to do it, and privacy concerns.

Simplest thing to do is mimic the system in Qatar. Insurance is purchased for the entirety of the registration period before the registration is renewed. Insurance can't be cancelled by either party during that time. No new tech required, no new enforcement mechanisms required, etc. *however* it would be a burden to the poor, who can't afford to pay their entire premium up front.
I get the privacy concerns, I'm sure there's work-arounds there. But cost to do it wouldn't really be that much overall, a pretty simple notification system that sends a ping off to the DMV, the DMV system receives it and flags the plate number in the system. If that plate is ran by LEO and comes up with no insurance, boom enforce the law as written.

I know it can be done, too - my CU has all my insurance information for my truck because I have a loan on it, and their system checks monthly just before my payment is due to see if it still has insurance. If it comes back that it DOESN'T, then they will bill me for a policy THEY pull on it.

There's ways to do it, is it going to cause a financial burden on some people, probably.
 

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I get the privacy concerns, I'm sure there's work-arounds there. But cost to do it wouldn't really be that much overall, a pretty simple notification system that sends a ping off to the DMV, the DMV system receives it and flags the plate number in the system. If that plate is ran by LEO and comes up with no insurance, boom enforce the law as written.

I know it can be done, too - my CU has all my insurance information for my truck because I have a loan on it, and their system checks monthly just before my payment is due to see if it still has insurance. If it comes back that it DOESN'T, then they will bill me for a policy THEY pull on it.

There's ways to do it, is it going to cause a financial burden on some people, probably.

You'd likely be surprised how antiquated the underlying software for most states' DMV systems are. The states don't even communicate well with each other in many instances. Not saying it can't be done, but it would have a cost and wouldn't solve anything.

From years of experience, no insurance tickets just mean the drivers drive suspended and stay uninsured. The cost of having the vehicle impounded every now and then is cheaper than paying off the tickets, suspension, and getting insured. Think about it. They are already shouldering the much more significant financial risk of hitting a very expensive vehicle and injuring somebody. Is the financial risk of a couple hundred bucks for a ticket and tow going to be what motivates them to get legal?
 

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privacy concerns
Only the "concept" of "concept of privacy" exists. Let's see, in the past two years, I had to get a new Medicare number, a new social security number, and a new driver's license number with honorable mentions to new credit card numbers and a subscription to Robokiller so my phone doesn't ring all day. When I file taxes I have to use a PIN that is USPS mailed to me each year. And people, well some, still blur out a license plate when posting online *****!

Every time I clean up the mess left by yet another data hack, another hack happens. T-Mobile, my bank, and both hospitals I have used have all been hacked and I get constant reports that my "privacy" information is available on the dark web from the sea of free credit monitoring tools I've received as a "payment" for the hacks.

You are spot on regarding the interactions between car insurance companies and state DMVs. As an example, I insure three vehicles, every year my SOS sends me registration renewal offers that invite me to complete the registration process online provided my registration offer includes an insurance PIN. I've been with the same insurance company for better than 20 years and almost every year, one registration offer is missing a PIN. How? All three vehicles are on the same policy, my agent can't answer the question but is quick to point the finger at a computer glitch.
 

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Some of the comments surprise me. New York State requires any insurance company doing business in the state to report vehicle insurance lapse to the DMV. There have been occasions when a trooper will show up to remove license plates from uninsured vehicles.

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Some of the comments surprise me. New York State requires any insurance company doing business in the state to report vehicle insurance lapse to the DMV. There have been occasions when a trooper will show up to remove license plates from uninsured vehicles.

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As far as a I know, every state gives you the ability to file a 'non-operators' permit, which means it is parked off the street on private property or stored somewhere. I would guess you don't need to have insurance in that case.
 
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I was with State Farm for years with 5+ vehicles (private and biz), home, umbrella, etc. and it just kept going up. I switched to Progressive and the total was about 60% of State Farm. "Rate Creep" I've heard it called. Kind of a strange business that they punish you for being a good customer.
When I bought the truck BRAND NEW State farm was $800 a year. Now, with the vehicle 4 years old, they want $1,600 !!! DOUBLE! THANK YOU for recommending Progressive. With them, the one year premium is only $570 :) I saved $1,000. Now, will they raise the rate in 6 months?
 

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Hmmm.... $570 for a year you're making me think I should start shopping around. I think I'm up closer to $1000 on a 10 year old truck. Pretty high limits but also high deductibles - and clean record.
I know insurance varies wildly based on location. In the past, I've resorted to using an insurance brokerage and let them do the work to get coverage quotes from multiple insurance providers. I discovered that the first premium costs are teaster rates and then their real costs come at you like a brick wall. So in a year, you are back at shopping for insurance again.

I stumbled across Farmers several years ago and have everything insured through them. Every two or three years, I enlist a brokerage to shop insurance rates but discover Farmers remains my best choice. I'm in SE Michigan in a rural area.
 

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It seemed pretty clear to me many years ago when California gave illegals drivers licenses that insurance would climb and keep climbing.

Our multi car insurance in Albuquerque went thru the roof the last few years we lived there, back in 2017-19.

The explanation from the companies was all the car jacking and thefts, which at the time Albuquerque was one of the highest in the nation.

People were being car jacked sitting in fast food drive thru, lots of thefts of cars in hotel parking lots. My car was stripped, my co-workers car was torched, my bosses car was stolen.

Perps would steal a car, get caught and the same day would be caught blocks away from the cop shop car jacking.

An illegal was passed out in front of our house, another one camped in our back yard, we couldn't keep anything on our front porch because it would get stolen (shoes especially) People would knock on our door asking for money.

The last straw for me was one night when an illegal T-boned a vehicle half a block from my house. Neighbors were rushing down the street and the guy who hit the vehicle ran by my kitchen window, his head split open and blood running down his face.

My neighbor was outside and just let the guy run by, which infuriated me.

I ran outside and he was gone.

The accident was bad, he left his wife and baby in his truck screaming and crying. The other vehicle was completely crushed in the center.

There was no screaming coming from that vehicle.

Cops came to my house and I gave a description of the guy. They had me come out to their car to identify him on their computer.

Sure enough it was the same guy.

Cops said he's done this before! I believe they really wanted to get him but he did say that he was probably already on his way back across the boarder.

Yes, insurance is blowing up and will continue to do so.

We lived in a desirable neighborhood where most home owners were either contractors working for the labs or professors from the university.

But this was happening all across the city, nice neighborhoods in the foothills, west side new housing developments.

In Albuquerque this became the new normal.
 
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