2016 Laramie 1500 Wheel Hub Question

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I have a 2016 1500 Laramie with 150K miles. I don't really tow anything but a small utility trailer a few times a year. Recently I replaced my water pump and my mechanic, who specializes in transmissions told me that I had a few issues that I needed to be concerned about. The first was that he did not think my transmission would last another year and if I was not up to dumping $4-5K into a new one, I should look to get rid of the truck. He also said that there was play in my rear Differential and that my front wheel bearings were on their way out. I am not looking to get rid of my truck anytime soon and out of the three issues, the wheel bearings I can change myself. I have done some research on the signs of bearing wear, but my truck does not seem to be showing any. No specific noise when turning, no uneven tire wear or tread marking, the only thing that I hear is a high-pitched whine sound when I get up to higher speeds. There is no vibration of any kind until I step on the breaks at high speed, which I think might be a warped break disc. Any suggestions? My mechanic is a trustworthy local shop owner who lives and dies by his reputation, so I don't believe he is trying to get me to spend money with him. He even offered to replace my trans fluid, but said that I would have many more problems if he did that. I basically drive my truck to and from work every day, mostly highway, so just looking for some recommendations.
 

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I have a 2016 1500 Laramie with 150K miles. I don't really tow anything but a small utility trailer a few times a year. Recently I replaced my water pump and my mechanic, who specializes in transmissions told me that I had a few issues that I needed to be concerned about. The first was that he did not think my transmission would last another year and if I was not up to dumping $4-5K into a new one, I should look to get rid of the truck. He also said that there was play in my rear Differential and that my front wheel bearings were on their way out. I am not looking to get rid of my truck anytime soon and out of the three issues, the wheel bearings I can change myself. I have done some research on the signs of bearing wear, but my truck does not seem to be showing any. No specific noise when turning, no uneven tire wear or tread marking, the only thing that I hear is a high-pitched whine sound when I get up to higher speeds. There is no vibration of any kind until I step on the breaks at high speed, which I think might be a warped break disc. Any suggestions? My mechanic is a trustworthy local shop owner who lives and dies by his reputation, so I don't believe he is trying to get me to spend money with him. He even offered to replace my trans fluid, but said that I would have many more problems if he did that. I basically drive my truck to and from work every day, mostly highway, so just looking for some recommendations.
If you’re handy, you can check and complete the brake job and check the wheel bearings at that time. After that conclusion, I would keep up on the recommended transmission fluid change with your mechanic. If you kept up on them, there shouldn’t be an issue now. If it does go, it was just time
 

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Has your trans ever been serviced? Assuming you have 8 speed.

Do not power flush, drain and fill only.

8 speed is very specific as to procedure and fluid.

The transmission sits at a downward slant in our Rams. You have to raise the rear wheels 8 - 9 inches to level the transmission VERY IMPORTANT.

Follow this:

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I have a 2016 1500 Laramie with 150K miles. I don't really tow anything but a small utility trailer a few times a year. Recently I replaced my water pump and my mechanic, who specializes in transmissions told me that I had a few issues that I needed to be concerned about. The first was that he did not think my transmission would last another year and if I was not up to dumping $4-5K into a new one, I should look to get rid of the truck. He also said that there was play in my rear Differential and that my front wheel bearings were on their way out. I am not looking to get rid of my truck anytime soon and out of the three issues, the wheel bearings I can change myself. I have done some research on the signs of bearing wear, but my truck does not seem to be showing any. No specific noise when turning, no uneven tire wear or tread marking, the only thing that I hear is a high-pitched whine sound when I get up to higher speeds. There is no vibration of any kind until I step on the breaks at high speed, which I think might be a warped break disc. Any suggestions? My mechanic is a trustworthy local shop owner who lives and dies by his reputation, so I don't believe he is trying to get me to spend money with him. He even offered to replace my trans fluid, but said that I would have many more problems if he did that. I basically drive my truck to and from work every day, mostly highway, so just looking for some recommendations.
Did he offer to "take it off your hands" for a few bucks?
 

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@Pohonasin, have you noticed any problems with your transmission? Rough shifts, etc?

If you did service the trans, and it went out after, it wouldn't have been from you changing it, it was already on it's way out.

Unless, the wrong fluid was used, or reverse flushed, etc.

Only use Mopar 8+9 speed fluid 68218925AB, or ZF Lifeguard 8, or Valvoline MaxLife (make sure it states on back that it's compatible with ZF 8 speed. MaxLife is much cheaper ($25/gallon) vs. Mopar or ZF fluid ($18-$25/qt).
 
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I have not experienced any issues with the rear dif, or the transmission, but I am getting that whining in the front end, more on the left than the right, so I am concerned that the bearings are going, just don't know how to confirm that without taking it all apart. I purchased it used with 68K miles about 5 years ago and have had minimal issues with it. I change the oil every 5-7 K miles and the break pads about once a year. what other indicators should I be looking for to confirm that the issue is the wheel bearings? If it's not them, then what else could be causing that whining sound at high speeds. Like I said, I have no unequal tire wear, no shaking or vibrating, no pulling at all.
And, No my mechanic did not offer to buy buy my truck...lol
 

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Alot of times when front bearings are going they will make noise that gets worse with speed, and you may notice in a slight turn, the sound gets quieter.

Usually, that indicates which side, opposite the noise. If it gets quieter turning left, right side bearing is the issue, etc.

That being said, if you do replace a hub, replace both. I did mine around 140k. I have a 2wd, super easy, 3 bolts. I'm in FL, so no road salt corrosion, etc.

Is yours a 4wd?
 

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I'd say bearings are about due anyway since you're in NJ. Just changed mine (200k) due to wheel speed sensor. Funny thing is the truck drove fine, 4 year old tires and no unusual wear. Thought maybe inner tie rods were bad (shake left/right off ground). All ball joints were shot, all tie rods were shot, & sway bar endlinks toast also. I had taken it to Firestone for lifetime alignment because I deleted the air ride mess and they only mentioned inner tie rods after I did. Bearings are sealed in the hub, taking things apart won't help to check anything. I'm in Texas and mine were not easy to get off the knuckles/rotors.
 

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yes i rec replacing both hub bearings i all ways do them in pairs
While I understand the recommendation from any repair shop cause they will make more money. Why replace in pairs? Make no sense to replace a perfectly good part with another part
 

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While I understand the recommendation from any repair shop cause they will make more money. Why replace in pairs? Make no sense to replace a perfectly good part with another part
Sometimes it makes sense. If doing the work yourself, perhaps not. If paying someone else, you pay 2x. Take the bearing/hub assembly...you can replace just a known bad hub assembly (they don't last forever) and use the old other side. In 6 months or so, you could easily be replacing the other side. You could end up spending enough to have justified replacing even more parts the first time. A repair shop makes more money if you replace 1 and then another and ypur truck is in the shop, another day not in use.
 

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Sometimes it makes sense. If doing the work yourself, perhaps not. If paying someone else, you pay 2x. Take the bearing/hub assembly...you can replace just a known bad hub assembly (they don't last forever) and use the old other side. In 6 months or so, you could easily be replacing the other side. You could end up spending enough to have justified replacing even more parts the first time. A repair shop makes more money if you replace 1 and then another and ypur truck is in the shop, another day not in use.
Yeah, don't think.thst logic works, shops in my area don't give breaks on labor and the part cost is per side.

I'll just fix what is broken and nothing else. I'll do me, you guys can do what you want, always.
 

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Yeah, don't think.thst logic works, shops in my area don't give breaks on labor and the part cost is per side.

I'll just fix what is broken and nothing else. I'll do me, you guys can do what you want, always.
As is true most everywhere.

My problems are twofold, finding a shop I trust, and having the money to pay the shop IF I did find one I trust. The money part has to be figured out as I go.

I'm fortunate my FIL built a nice place with a lift where I can do the work, while getting the awesome support and help from everyone here.

No way could I ever have done the work I have done on my Ram without you all.
 

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My first question is how many miles do you have on this thing? Reason I ask is you mention changing brake pads about once a year! For halfway normal driving I would expect to get at least 40k miles out of a set of pads.
To test bearings the noise usually corresponds with speed, meaning the faster you go the louder it gets. The other test is to swerve the vehicle to the left and right at speed...like if changing lanes on the freeway. The noise will usually get louder or stay the same in one direction, and get quieter or at least change when turning the other way.
If one side is bad I generally recommend changing the other side also. That is because you should expect both sides to have a similar life expectancy from wear. If one side is worn out I would expect the other side to need to be replaced fairly shortly. While wheel bearings typically give you some warning before completely failing, they can fail suddenly and leave you stranded. It's also one of those high mileage things. If you get over 100k miles on bearings it's not like you are swapping them out multiple times a year and wasting money.
For a shop to replace the front bearings it will usually be cheaper if you have them do both at the same time, versus taking it in two separate times. That is because it takes less total shop and mechanic time. You already the vehicle in the shop, on the hoist, all the tools set out, and order both hubs at the same time.
 

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Hub Assembly was not the best example. Oil pan gasket and transmission front seal leaks might be. Replacing a rear main seal might make sense to some. If my shocks are 10 years old and one is leaking, I replace both then.
Yeah, to each their own
 

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Wheel Bearings:
Your description sure does sound like front bearing/s going. Have you (OP) replaced front hubs before? It "can be" a lot bigger and frustrating job when they get rusted in place. For a lot of guys they look back and wish they'd paid a shop to do them. They can be a real bugger. But if you've done them before, then yeah, go ahead and do them. Buy some good SKF or Schaffler hub assemblies. RockAuto has good prices on them. I would also replace both if your finances allow. I've had too many fail close to each other (but not always) and then you need to go through the whole job a 2nd time. Once you have all the tools out (weather you or the mechanic) it goes faster to do both. But yeah, if finances are tight, then I can see doing one at a time. The other may last a yr... or even 3 years. Or 6 months. If you're doing them in your driveway, having fail in the winter would be the worst.

I just ordered two front hubs for my truck. I also have one failing ironically. Driver's side. I'm going to replace them both ..I just don't want to do the whole job a second time and knocking on the door of 180k. On my truck the hub assembly started to make a whirling sound and then went away for a month. Then I wasn't sure if I was hearing something else. I've had it where a failing front hub can be in a failing mode for many months. However in my Ram, just a couple days ago, coming home from the Home Center, suddently the hub noise became suddenly VERY LOUD out of the blue. I had to drive 50mph or under on the way back, as it was also vibrating. You can 'feel' the bearing is 'rough' rotating the hub by hand. So sometimes they can creep up on ya too. If your truck is a DD, you probably don't want it to be suddenly down. If you do replace it on your own. I think Autozone rents an axle 'pusher' which is a lot better than banging on the axle stubs with a maul, like some guys do.

Rear Differential:
As for the rear diff, sounds like your mechanic is talking about a loose pinion? I don't think he can say what the longevity is just by seeing the 'play'. Did the mechanic attempt to tighten the nut? I would definitely do that first. The bearing there is a tapered bearing. Tightening the nut should remove the freeplay. Sometimes the nuts can become loose, or maybe it was put on semi-loose when new? Remove the driveshaft and a snugging up is worth a shot. If there is a serious issue, you'll hear noise and know you need to take things to the next step.

Yes... I know there is a specific 'correct' way guys will chime in & say you MUST tighten the pinion with a new crush-sleeve, etc. But ..not really ...in a case like this. At this point, you're trying to see if tightening to, say, 90 or so ft/lbs removes the freeplay. I've done several (and I know other people who have too), just snug up the nut and there you go. Drive a bit then recheck. Put the vehicle in N, (block the tires) and check it again periodically. If it sounds fine and still tight, order a new pinion nut and replace the old one. Long term, if there is continued looseness or noise, you should call up a "differential and driveline place" asap who does this stuff for a living, tell them your story, and have them take a look. If nothing else pay for an 'inspection'. If it comes back 'good' then you have peace of mind. If they find something, they're the better guys to give a long-term assessment. Sooner is definitely BETTER than later with driveline issues. Things get real costly when they went on too long, start to fail and/or seize up. But start by snugging the pinion nut and see what happens. You ought to be able to do that in 20 minutes.

Transmission:
The tranny, IDK what he's seeing, and not being there, not sure how he can make a lifespan determination. I agree with others to have the fluid changed. And DO it the RIGHT way... by jacking up the rear wheels and verifying the fluid level. That you should be able to do also. It's been shown here over the yrs most shops don't know the correct method of final-checking (verifying) the fluid level. And most shop techs prefer to work on a hoist, not crawling around on the floor working around someone else's hot exhaust. The fluid level needs to be right-on. Verify that yourself. And the type of fluid. Use the right and good fluid. Then you can know it was done properly. I would personally use Mopar or ZF fluid rather than Penzoil or somesuch brand. Then you don't have to worry about different additive packages causing any operational flukes (that can happen). Our small town Ram dealer will fill milk jugs cheap out of their bulk trans fluid barrel (ask your local small dealer PARTS dept).

It's always better to replace the fluid. If a tranny problem develops, it was on borrowed time anyway. Worst case you could look for a used one from a wrecked truck.

Good luck!!

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Thank you for all the recommendations. My truck is my DD and has 150K miles. Mostly highway miles and I drive from North West NJ (Sussex County) to Brooklyn NY every day. I will replace both Hubs just to be safe. I have noticed that some videos show the complete removal of the knuckle in order to get the hubs out, while others just show the release of the upper ball joint. Does it matter, or is it personal preference?
 

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For me, it was way easier to remove the knuckle. The ball joints and tie rod end usually releases pretty easily. Then a couple whacks with a big hammer on the backside of the hub pops it right out. Beating the crap out of it while it is on the truck is just going to get you a bent dust shield.

When I was troubleshooting my ABS warning light, I pulled the sensor wires out of the hubs on both sides and noticed the grease in one was very clean and the other was much darker. I stuck a small magnet in the hole and got a lot of metal out of the side with the darker grease. This confirmed my need to change the hub.
 

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Sounds like an issue, I think the bearings in the hubs are sealed, or at least shielded. Even a shielded bearing shouldn't shed grease like that.

Post up some pics once you get it swapped out.
 
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