Tony Donato
Banned
- Joined
- Jun 16, 2024
- Posts
- 68
- Reaction score
- 78
- Location
- North Carolina
- Ram Year
- 2016
- Engine
- 5.7 HEMI
Red Line uses PIB polymers and thick base oil whenever they can. And where they can't Red Line uses thin PAO and Olefin Copolymers. That's why Red Line oils that start with 0W aren't that great, especially their 0W-40. Like everyone else, Red Line wants to maximize profits, so they draw the line when it comes to spending on materials. For example, Lubrizol Star Polymers are the best, but they are the most expensive. Even HPL uses them sparingly. For example, HPL uses Lubrizol Star Polymers in their HPL Super Car 0W-40, while the other oils in that lineup get Infineum Star Polymers.
There are two types of HPL NO VII 5W-30 oils: PCMO and Euro. The euro is a bit thicker and has that beefed up Euro add pack.
The NO VII oils don't uses Polymers as viscosity improvers. Instead, they use mPAO, also known as Metallocene PAO. This material is expensive, however, it doesn't shear at all. HPL uses mPAO in their gear oil as well. It is clean, and never shears. The downside is that it limits the cold flow of the oil. That's why they only make 5W and 10W NO VII motor oils. Yes, they have a NO VII Euro 10W-40. Mostly folks that have 3.0 EcoDiesel engines buy that one because it doesn't shear, and they can do extended OCIs with it, but most importantly, it keeps their bearings safe.
HPL is an industrial and high performance blender (racing applications). They don't target the consumer. The consumer products were derived from their commercial fleet products, and HPL made them to advertise their brand. The consumer products are not a profit maker for them.
I know the owner of the company personally, and I know that their consumer products are a break-even type of business for them. The materials they use are very expensive, and they source PAO, mPAO, Group III and Group III+, and soon GTL, Esters, and additives from the likes of Lubrizol, Infineum, Chevron, ExxonMobil, and so on. They only work with the best, and also with some European suppliers.
HPL blends some very high end stuff. Some of their government customers with fleets run these oils for around 40K miles between changes, with the oil filter being swapped around every 5K miles. It's good stuff.
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