Fuel Stablizers (not cleaners) - Gasoline

[tjfdesmo]

ut oh this guy not liking star Tron... For motorcycles guy with steel tanks need to consider more.

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19 month test.. new engines old fuel. Proves the enemy is ethanol, use true fuel and the fuel can sit for years.

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Sta Bil 360 worked after 19 months.

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True Fuel causes all sorts of running issues in small engines. Search Chickanic's channel. We used Startron at the powersports shop(it didn't exist when I was in OPE)with good results. Arctic Cat recommended it and Techron in a TSB to stave off ethanol deposits that were plaguing fuel level sending units. Never saw any ill effects.

 

[Burla]

What about VP, which was the one he actually used. I guess true fuel isn't the same.

You watch that Genny vid, man ethonal is some bad stuff. I can only imagine how much damage is being done with this stuff.

 

[tjfdesmo]

What about VP, which was the one he actually used. I guess true fuel isn't the same.

You watch that Genny vid, man ethonal is some bad stuff. I can only imagine how much damage is being done with this stuff.

Never tried it. Don't know.

 

[Sherman Bird]

That post suggested there is no such thing or something like that. Avoiding the possibility of phase separation is in theory possible. No moisture = no phase separation. Plastic tanks as well, cut down on moisture issue. Sorry I do not have a chemical answer.

I use this one in the past when I planned on not driving, I have no idea how or if it worked..

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My phases got separated once.... the cops found them and brought them home!

 

[crackerjack1957]

I always use ethanol-free gas in my small 2 & 4 cycle engines that sit during the winter.
Cost more but no carb downtime.
Learned that when ethanol 1st came around my area in 1980

 

[tjfdesmo]

I always use ethanol-free gas in my small 2 & 4 cycle engines that sit during the winter.
Cost more but no carb downtime.
Learned that when ethanol 1st came around my area in 1980

Problem is it's not available everywhere. I would have to drive 1.5 hours to find ethanol free gas. AV gas is another option.

 

[Ritchie_Rich]

Additives LOL.
Never used them, never will.

 

[KansasArt]

So, please explain how you were helping the OP vs jumping in a thread just to ******* in it? You seem to enjoy jumping into threads just to derail them.

 

[Burla]

Some of sta bil like their marine product also has PEA..

• Specialized PEA Fuel System cleaning agents

From their sds it appears this science at it's core is various types of ethers. No PEA listed so I am puzzled by them adding it, so don't think you will be getting decent PEA cleaning with this unless you can find an sds that shows 20% PEA.

It's a good thread, you can see from the 19 month video what happens during phase separation. I will develop a strategy that will include keeping tank near full when not in use, maybe clean out the garage and park the truck in there. Unless someone finds a SDS that shows something different, it is ethers that help keep water in suspension. If you have phase separation that means if your tank is metal you are going to rust it out. Fuel pump components are at risk as well. I don't have a good thought on how to keep trucks safe if they sit and are in the cold, other then don't let the truck sit, especially in the windet. @Hemi395 and @U&A what you guys say about how you deal with this. Kyle I know you use the truck all the time, but Corey you have that commuter, time to drive the truck once a week?

If you have a gas station that has no ethonal, bring some large tanks and have them on hand, when a truck sits use up fuel with ethonal and replace with that good stuff. I believe our Rams to all have plastic tanks, still a problem but not as much. So what do you guys say is at risk with truck with plastic tanks?

 

[Sherman Bird]

Additives LOL.
Never used them, never will.

 

[06 Dodge]

For 13 years in IA I used sta-bil for both my lawn mowers and snow blower too, I never had a single problem when it came time to use them after being stored in my unheated shed, I never completely emptied the gas tank just made sure it was under 1/2 full full at the time of storage just in case I found the gas to be bad at start up but never did have any problems... EDIT: BTW IMHO if your gas has 10% or more of ethanol you need to use a stabilizer of some kind...

 

[HEMIMANN]

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So these work, but do they "hold" water in suspension in the tank? To be honest, I think best practice would be as long as you have a poly gas tank use these products when you start up as opposed to put away for the winter. Then you know the water is in suspension.

They do, until they saturate - at that point, phase separation occurs. Articles state usually only tank condensation provides enough water for separation, that atmospheric humidity doesn't. That's why they say to fill your tank full for storage.

Most vehicles today have plastic tanks, so maybe condensation isn't as prevalant? Anyway, I see people store engines with pure gas saying their engines start fine after x amount of time. Not my experience. Puregas in chainsaws acted up after 6 months without Stabil. It wasn't our experience with puregas in small engines @ Onan, either.

Yes, alcohol is much worse if exceeding phase saturation limit.

Again, my question isn't about alcohol - it's about best gas preservative.

 

[Burla]

You can get moisture in plastic as well I believe, but obviously it wont corrode like metal.

 

[HEMIMANN]

You can get moisture in plastic as well I believe, but obviously it wont corrode like metal.

Sure but the thermal conductivity of plastic is so much less than steel, a plastic tank wouldn't "sweat" (condensation) as much inside, would it? My Ram has the 30 gallon HDPE plastic gas tank.

 

[U&A]

Some of sta bil like their marine product also has PEA..

• Specialized PEA Fuel System cleaning agents

From their sds it appears this science at it's core is various types of ethers. No PEA listed so I am puzzled by them adding it, so don't think you will be getting decent PEA cleaning with this unless you can find an sds that shows 20% PEA.

It's a good thread, you can see from the 19 month video what happens during phase separation. I will develop a strategy that will include keeping tank near full when not in use, maybe clean out the garage and park the truck in there. Unless someone finds a SDS that shows something different, it is ethers that help keep water in suspension. If you have phase separation that means if your tank is metal you are going to rust it out. Fuel pump components are at risk as well. I don't have a good thought on how to keep trucks safe if they sit and are in the cold, other then don't let the truck sit, especially in the windet. @Hemi395 and @U&A what you guys say about how you deal with this. Kyle I know you use the truck all the time, but Corey you have that commuter, time to drive the truck once a week?

If you have a gas station that has no ethonal, bring some large tanks and have them on hand, when a truck sits use up fuel with ethonal and replace with that good stuff. I believe our Rams to all have plastic tanks, still a problem but not as much. So what do you guys say is at risk with truck with plastic tanks?

My truck never sits for more than a day or so.

The following is JMO from my experience.

My power equipment has all been drinking E-Free gas 90 octane for a long time. Its expensive but way less headache.

My rule. Ethanol fuel ….OR…. E-free fuel for anything is it needs a full tank all the time and it needs to be run at least 1x a month up to full temp at least…

More fuel in a system = less air. Less air is slower oxidation.

For carbs….
I NEVER drain carbs. And if I did i would literally take the bowl OFF and spray the **** out of the jets, needle, bowl….exc with carb cleaner to remove all the gas.

If you “drain carbs” by only running them empty there is ALWAYS small amounts of fuel left. That small amount of fuel will now be introduced to lots of air, then evaporate fast and leave behind whatever deposits it may… risking plugged jets and fuel passages. Dried diaphragms and other nonsense.

Morel of the story, keep her as wet as possible and warm her up often…. If not …things can get nasty in there

 

[U&A]

Sure but the thermal conductivity of plastic is so much less than steel, a plastic tank wouldn't "sweat" (condensation) as much inside, would it? My Ram has the 30 gallon HDPE plastic gas tank.

No it will not sweat hardly at all unless it is a crazy rapid temp change.

Plastic tanks breathe tho. That is why you can not get stickers to stay on plastic dirt bike tanks unless they are perforated stickers

 

[airrecon]

Leave the tank 95% full is one answer according to this guy. Need a way to mix the tank? ha.

The best way to avoid phase separation over the winter (aside from emptying the tank) is to leave the tank 95-percent full (which allows for expansion) so that there's less moist air in the tank, less space for condensation to collect, and more gasoline to absorb whatever moisture does accumulate.


This bad part is phase separation happens the bad stuff in this case sinks.

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I don't care how full your tank is, fuel with ethanol will start forming water before the winter is over

 

[tjfdesmo]

Decades of draining/running dry, both in personal equipment, and in two different dealership repair shop operations has proven very effective, and no more risky to gaskets and diaphragms than ethanol and additives turning them into ooze. YMMV

 

[HEMIMANN]

I've had small engine gaskets and diaphragms dry out and crack.

 

[Jim Bowker]

I generally opt for absolutely nothing. It seems to work pretty well for me.