Is it the tires, the shop or me…

1 MEAN66 · Jun 25, 2024

If they (the tires) are causing the vibration THEN THEY ARE NOT BALANCED!!!!!!! at least PROPERLY!!!!! But wheels can also cause vibrations! Out of round or bent. GO some where else then the shops you tell us that you are using. It makes no difference what "machine" is used if the operator does not know how to use it! All machines (balancers) need to be calibrated once in a while. A road force machine "balances" tires no differently than any other machine!!!! The "Road Force" portion Of this machine is there to try and simulate the -road force- that the road applies to tires by driving on them. Tires can just be balanced on a "road force" balancer WITHOUT doing "ROAD FORCE"! It is used to help to find the high spot in the tire and the wheel so that you can get the individual tire and wheel to be as round as possible so the least amount of weight is needed to to the "balance" part of the job. The "road force" portion of the process LOADS the tire to help find internal tire problems. Nothing is perfectly round and/or balanced. The "rounder" you can make them the longer they should last. Every time you rotate (4k-6k miles) and there is a specific way that they should be rotated!! Base on FWD, RWD, AWD, 4WD, 2WD,etc. Rotation isnot necessary of course, it just has the capability to make a 40k "expected" tire life tire maybe get 60K?? Machines do not fix anything if no one is taught how to use them or MAINTAIN them. If they are put in any shop and never see any maintenance they can get out of calibration ALSO! You do maintenance to your vehicles (machines) - right? Manufactures of balancers have tech that do maintenance to their -machines, and teach new employee's (operators of their machines how to use them correctly!

Sherman Bird · Jun 25, 2024

ACEd said:
I have had 2 out of 4 expensive Michelin LT275/70R18E that could not be balanced - Michelin apparently had a number of similar problems in that vintage (2018) based on their customer feedback site - I was in the process of getting 2 replaced free just before truck was totalled by a tree.

In general Toyo has a good reputation. But clearly any manufacturer can make a bad tire - I would be contacting Toyo about the problem.

But as an aside - I went to multiple shops including the RAM dealer - who referred me to a tire dealer they use. But, along the way, one reputable shop I have used for car tires refused to try saying the RAM 2500 (2015 vintage) aluminum wheels require a unique adapter they did not posses. Apparently there is something unique about the interface which not all tire shops are aware of. But that was not my problem, it was the tires.

As suggested by previous poster, swap front to rear to see if vibration changes. Since the problem initially surfaced after you put 2 tires on, there may be a truck issue (damaged by tire dealer?) or even a damaged wheel (lift truck and spin each wheel by hand - look for any uneven movement.)

I've been a Michelin consumer for 40-ish years out of the 52 I've been driving. About 20 years ago, I observed in my shop 3 weird failures that really made me wonder.... On 3 different vehicles, owned by customers, Michelin tires on their cars suddenly and without warning exploded while the cars were sitting in my parking lot or in the shop.

No one was close at hand in any of these incidents, and the only damage was streaks in undies.

In all 3 cases, the sidewalls let go suddenly and split out from the rim down to the tread body.
I did a little research then and found out that there was a huge claim against Michelin and that there were thousands of this tire failure... some folks were unlucky enough to have had the blow out while at road speed.

These 3 events happened within about 6-8 months of total time. My faith in the brand had to naturally be put on hold.

I guess that they (Michelin) figured out the problem and fixed it. I only very recently returned as a Michelin consumer.

All big corporations can and typically do go through these crazy problems. I do wonder just how proactive the DOT folks are and were in keeping up enforcements of safety practices in tire manufacture. Caveat Emptor!

David James · Jun 25, 2024

nlambert182 said:
Find a Discount Tire, or any shop that uses the Hunter road force balance machine and have them properly balanced. Then, I suggest not using either of those two tire stores again.

I used to have 35" mud tires on my first 2500 and my local shop swore that it was impossible to balance a mud tire. I went to Discount and they balanced them the first try. Been using them ever since. You get what you pay for in terms of service as well as tire brand.

Fully agree re Discount Tire. First mistake was putting on only two with a different tread pattern then reversing the existing two. I’d stay away from the two tire stores that apparently are incompetent.

BLUEDERANGO · Jun 25, 2024

I'll not get into tire brand opinions, every one has one so... BUT what I will mention is if you have a 4x4 you must always replace all four tires due to the fact that if you have different sizes front to back (even same size but different manufacture the circumference usually is different) and engage your 4 wheel drive there will be a difference in the ratio front to back and it can destroy a transfer case quite quickly. Most owners manuals state this quite clearly. It doesn't make any difference if its a truck or a SUV especially if it's a "full time AWD" damage can occur from mixing tires.

POINTMAN380 · Jun 25, 2024

Road force balance gets my vote as well. It changed the whole game with my 2018. From that point forward I only get tires mounted that use road force balancing.

Hardracer · Jun 27, 2024

I bet those Mavis stores were tire kindoms.they bought out tire kingdom I guess...since that change the 2 I went to here went to crap on how things are run...reason for the 2 on my end was scheduling...2nd store was way better as far as personel..but since mavis...both stores sayin nobody wants to work so they both have all youngins in there that switch jobs every couple months.no road force machines at either also.
Not ever rotating might not be the best thing to do either.

joesstripclub · Jun 27, 2024

Is your truck in need of any other maintenance? Shocks ever been replaced? The new tires are possibly reacting differently than your old ones and bringing out some other issues.

BuschLatte420 · Jun 27, 2024

I just purchased some toyo at3’s and they shook BAD. Took them back for another road force balance and no change. Tire place sent me to the shop next door where the mechanics are to check the truck and test drive and the 50 some year old guy that seemed to know what the F he was doing balanced them ‘a different way’ and was 99% better. I still have some vibes at highway speeds but I am blaming the tread, as I am no longer shaking a red solo cup half full of change anymore. I was told I have a ‘problem truck’ whatever that means…but the way my 2022 has been since new now being at 12,000 miles it just might be a problem truck.

Daviddnv · Jun 27, 2024

joesstripclub said:
Is your truck in need of any other maintenance? Shocks ever been replaced? The new tires are possibly reacting differently than your old ones and bringing out some other issues.

No Maintenace is due, the shocks checked out fine. I put another 300 highway miles on it and the shake is not that bad. I'm getting them road balanced and rotated in a month or so. I think I'm all good with it.

Daviddnv · Jun 27, 2024

BuschLatte420 said:
I just purchased some toyo at3’s and they shook BAD. Took them back for another road force balance and no change. Tire place sent me to the shop next door where the mechanics are to check the truck and test drive and the 50 some year old guy that seemed to know what the F he was doing balanced them ‘a different way’ and was 99% better. I still have some vibes at highway speeds but I am blaming the tread, as I am no longer shaking a red solo cup half full of change anymore. I was told I have a ‘problem truck’ whatever that means…but the way my 2022 has been since new now being at 12,000 miles it just might be a problem truck.

Maybe the Toyo tires are hard to balance or something. As I said in the last post, it's not that bad and I'll see if the road balancing helps in about a month. I will say, these Toyo tires are quite on the road, which I like, and I was in a real downpour the other day and had no slippage at all.

bm02tj · Jun 27, 2024

I had a 1981 D250 club cab and when new the dealer rebalanced the tires a few times
Then replaced with new Michelins and passed to a tire shop that balance twice and said sorry
I found one yoke on driveshaft 5 degs out I also removed and balanced front rotors and rear hub and drum assembly's then no vibration
So look at everything

ppine · Jun 28, 2024

Watch your tire pressure. Unless you are spinning your rear tires in sand or snow they should wear the same as the fronts. I rarely rotate tires and usually get over 60 k miles a set. I like Coopers a lot.

Some people corner fast but don't realize it. That wears out tires fast.

Sherman Bird · Jun 28, 2024

bm02tj said:
I had a 1981 D250 club cab and when new the dealer rebalanced the tires a few times
Then replaced with new Michelins and passed to a tire shop that balance twice and said sorry
I found one yoke on driveshaft 5 degs out I also removed and balanced front rotors and rear hub and drum assembly's then no vibration
So look at everything

My crazy story like yours involved a Ford Expedition when it was new/ under warranty. After numerous attempts to diagnose a vibration which involved 3 sets of tires, 2 sets of rims, transmission and motor mounts, a driveshaft, I got it. I was a transmission specialist. It turned out that one of the planetary gears in a gearset was missing from the factory. Weird, eh?

BuschLatte420 · Jun 30, 2024

Daviddnv said:
Maybe the Toyo tires are hard to balance or something. As I said in the last post, it's not that bad and I'll see if the road balancing helps in about a month. I will say, these Toyo tires are quite on the road, which I like, and I was in a real downpour the other day and had no slippage at all.

I was in a down pour yesterday, my Toto’s didn’t wanna grip for **** even with LSD and traction control. Everyone said the ko2’s were bad in the rain these might take the win.

robbie kerns · Jul 1, 2024

Daviddnv said:
Hi all,

This might be a little long, but I want to see if others had the same experience.

I bought new tires for my 2022 RAM 4x4 bighorn quad cab. It’s the first time I actually researched and decided on a specific tire and not just go with shop’s recommendation. I went with the Toyo Proxes ST III, 275/55-20. They seemed to have good reviews for the RAM and are pretty reasonably priced. I don’t do heavy off roading, just sand on the beach in Daytona.

Now for the issue(s). I was at 48K miles, my OEM tires were pretty much gone on the back, but the fronts were at around 50% or better. So, in my infinite wisdom, I only put on 2 new back tires and asked if the shop if they could turn the front ones around so the black wall was on the inside. I know now, reversing the tires after 48K miles is a big mistake. Anyway, the shop said sure, we can do that. The next time I was on the highway the truck was shaking all over the place. I took to another shop (same company) and they said no, you can’t do that, and the other shop should have known better, and those front tires are way out of balance, and they won’t hold a balance. But they balanced them the best they could.

So, after that I go back to first place and get 2 more matching new tires. I think all is good. Wrong! I get back out on the highway and it’s shaking again at about 60+ mph. So, I take it to the second shop again, and they check the tires. Out of balance and one of the directional tires is actually on backwards. The second shop shakes their head, fixes everything, and said just don’t go back to the other place. BTW, the reason for the 2 shops is that I'm going between Orlando and Daytona, and I don’t get on the highway until I’m on my way and it’s too late to turnaround.

So, the second shop rebalances the tires and I think all is good. But, it still seems to shake at about 75+. I take it to yet a third shop (same company) and tell them the whole story. And they find one back tire out of balance by 1 once. They fix that, but I still think I feel the shaking, although slightly less, at 75+ mph.

So here is my question(s), does anyone else have these Toyo tires? If so, how do they feel? I like the ride, at slower speeds, and they are quieter on the highway. I also like the rain handling. I was not sliding at all in pooled water at highway speeds. Anyway, I’m thinking maybe because they are so much quieter that I feel the shaking more because of less noise. Kind of like, it’s all in my head.

Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks

in kinda the same situation as you, did you find a good shop to balance them near Daytona, I live in Port Orange.

Daviddnv · Jul 1, 2024

robbie kerns said:
in kinda the same situation as you, did you find a good shop to balance them near Daytona, I live in Port Orange.

My solution will be to get them road balanced at discount tire. I'm waiting for the one near me in Orlando to finish being built. I'm only in Daytona on the weekends. There is a discount tire on Beville, so you may want to try them, assuming they do the road balancing. But since my vibration is not that bad, I'm going to wait a little bit and get them rotated too.

Tom Davis · Jul 22, 2024

BuschLatte420 said:
I was in a down pour yesterday, my Toto’s didn’t wanna grip for **** even with LSD and traction control. Everyone said the ko2’s were bad in the rain these might take the win.

That's why I got rid of my Toyo's AT2s and went to Falken. Difference on wet roads is night and day.

Daviddnv · Aug 28, 2024

Not to bring back an old thread, but I wanted post the solution.

As suspected, three different Mavis tire shops could not balance my new tires, Toyo Proxes ST III, 275/55-20. I went to Discount Tire (Daytona Beach) and they balanced them on the Hunter Road Force machine and it rides perfect now, as new tires should. 30 minutes, $42 and problem solved. One thing, the tires were also rotated, so maybe that had something to do with it too. I guess I'll see the next time they are rotated, but all good for now.

Sherman Bird · Aug 28, 2024

Daviddnv said:
Not to bring back an old thread, but I wanted post the solution.

As suspected, three different Mavis tire shops could not balance my new tires, Toyo Proxes ST III, 275/55-20. I went to Discount Tire (Daytona Beach) and they balanced them on the Hunter Road Force machine and it rides perfect now, as new tires should. 30 minutes, $42 and problem solved. One thing, the tires were also rotated, so maybe that had something to do with it too. I guess I'll see the next time they are rotated, but all good for now.

The rotation had a lot less to do with it than the road force balance. Tires, like everything else are no longer made "like they used to be".

When Hunter first introduced the road force balancer, the art of tire balancing made meteoric improvements. Take a lesson from your experience. Go to a shop that uses the road force machine, hence forth.

runamuck · Aug 28, 2024

ppine said:
Watch your tire pressure. Unless you are spinning your rear tires in sand or snow they should wear the same as the fronts. I rarely rotate tires and usually get over 60 k miles a set. I like Coopers a lot.

Some people corner fast but don't realize it. That wears out tires fast.

those of us that tow seem to have more wear on the rears. I rotate often to keep em even.

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