Switch from '01 2500 5.9 To Newer 2500/3500 6.4 ?

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Rebel4Mo

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We have an '01 2500 5.9 4x4 with 189K miles.
It is stock except for a Banks Big Hoss..
On steep grades it will chug along slowly buts gets the job done.

Would a newer 2015 (up) 2500/3500 4x4 with a 6.4 tow better as far as power?
 
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i have a 2014 6.4 and it does well out here in the mountains with the exception of when it is really windy (35-45mph head winds) that is when my 2000 5.9 cummins took it in stride where the 6.4 struggles at times to hold 4th gear. the 6.4 has plenty of power otherwise and do not regret getting it at all , i would purchase another one but this time with the 8 speed transmission .
 

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I guess I would ask, how much of your mileage is towing/hauling? 200k miles in 21yrs isn't very many miles..but towing a lot in that many miles, esp uphill changes the equation.

A counter argument might be ...and this depends on how you use the pickup: If you tow a lot, like horse trailers, equipment and so on, and end up keeping your next truck as long as you have your current one, that makes a good argument to consider another diesel. But if not, then, yeah maybe the gas engine unit makes more sense.
 

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I agree with the comment, 2019 or newer, the new transmission is way better. Yes, the 6.4 tows better than the old 5.9 diesel. More horsepower and way more torque. It tows as good as my old V10, just runs at higher rpm to make its torque. The old V10 was far better than the 5.9 Diesel of that era for torque and horsepower. The old V10 pulled weight much better than the diesel.

Also agree that if you do a lot of towing, move up to the diesel. In Canada, it is currently a no charge upgrade from the 6.4 on 2500 and 3500 pickups.
 
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Yep. My only regret is not having 4.10 rear axle gear with my 6 speed 66RFE in my 2017 Ram 2500. It's ok, not great. With the newer 8 speed, I could see rear axle gear ratio wouldn't matter that much. Then again, it's a bear to service compared to the marginal 66RFE.
 

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We have an '01 2500 5.9 4x4 with 189K miles.
It is stock except for a Banks Big Hoss..
On steep grades it will chug along slowly buts gets the job done.

Would a newer 2015 (up) 2500/3500 4x4 with a 6.4 tow better as far as power?
Is that the 5.9 Magnum or the diesel. If the former, even the 5.7 has more HP and torque. I had it in my 2003 and was never feeling I was underpowered. I currently have a 2018 2500 CC LB 6.4 with 3.73 6 speed and have been extremely satisfied. It gives me all the power I need to pull bobcats or tow large loads of rocks and dirt off road. And while mileage is not phenomenal I do feel the 3.73 provides a better mix of towing and general driving capabilities. My extended family has, and has had a number of trucks from all the brands as have I and my current Ram would be my pick over them all. Good luck.

Update, I didn't know what a Banks Bug Hoss was, I haven't fine diesel much for a long time so now know you have the diesel. Doesn't change my thoughts that the 6.4 would work for you. In fact it gives you 800 or more pounds of payload capacity that the heavier diesel takes away.
 
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Think I'll keep it for now.
I would need to sell it first and after having it listed for 2 weeks now there has been no interest even though these 2nd gen are suppose to be sought after.

Another plus is it has permanent registration being its an old vehicle here in Montana.
 

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The insurance is probably a LOT lower too.
 

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If it's in good shape, I would agree to keep it. My last truck was an '03 2500 with a Cummins and my current one is a '14 2500 with the 6.4. I traded the '03 because it needed too much bodywork, and the electrical gremlins were annoying. I'm usually only towing 6.000-10,000 pounds so the 6.4 does fine. The towing mileage stinks, but regular is much cheaper than diesel nowadays.
 

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Assuming the '01 is a Cummins since you mention it has some Banks parts on it. If that is the case whether it tows "better" is a little subjective. In general I would say it probably does tow heavy loads a little better since the Cummins of that era was around 500 ft-lbs of torque at 1,600 RPM. However I would say a modern 6.4 gas engine should be able to keep up with it as long as you don't mind the engine singing. The 6.4 has a max torque of 429 ft-lbs but at 4,000 RPM.
 

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The 6.4 makes a LOT more horsepower and about the same torque as a 2001 Diesel. The V10 gas of the era, made more horsepower, 310 HP, and the same torque, 450 Ft/LBS as the Diesel, and it did it at about 2400 rpm, so down low in the rev range. It produce over 300 Ft/Lbs just off of idle. Red line on the V10 was 4500

1998.5-2002 24V Cummins (24 Valves) Specs​


In 1998, a revised version of the 2nd Gen Cummins was introduced. It retained the same body style, but big mechanical changes were made. The new 5.9L Cummins engine had 24 valves, or 4 valves per cylinder. The mechanical “P-Pump formally known as the Bosch P7100 fuel injection pump was replaced with a rotary electric VP44 injection pump. This injection pump is one of the most common 2nd Generation Cummins problems. Other 2nd Gen Cummins specs were changed as well, that helped Dodge trucks stay slightly above their competitors. 1998 Dodge Ram trucks with the 24 valve 5.9L Dodge Cummins engine produce 235 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque when paired with the 5-Speed Manual transmission. Trucks from 1998 with automatic transmissions make 215 horsepower and 420 lb-ft of torque.


24V 5.9L Cummins Performance Specs​


Engine Changes​


Cummins dramatically changed the late 2nd Gen Cummins engine. By doubling the valves, overall performance improves. Drivability improves because of better throttle response. The 24V engine configuration also allows for much better coolant flow compared to the previous 12V engine. Another big change is the new “53” engine block. Despite how reliable Cummins engines typically are, blocks marked with the “53” stamp are susceptible to cracking. They feature thinner walls that overtime can develop coolant leaks. For this reason, trucks built before 1999 or after 2001 are more desirable.


Fuel System​


The change to an electric rotary injection pump was a big step for Cummins. The VP44 injection pump works with the ECU to control fuel injection timing and fuel flow. An electric lift pump was introduced to help keep fuel pressure constant. This lift pump is actually one of the most common reasons the VP44 pump fails. If it doesn’t get the proper fuel supply it’s very likely to break. Aftermarket lift pumps like an Air Dog or Fass system is highly recommended! Despite moving to an electric rotary fuel injection pump, mechanical injectors are still used on late second generation Dodge Cummins trucks. They were re-located however which makes servicing them easier, as well as improves the spray pattern for a better combustion sequence.


Air Induction​


The 24 Valve 5.9L Cummins used the same turbocharger as 12V models from 1994-1998. The Holset HX35W was used on all models until 01′ and 02′. In these years, trucks with automatic transmissions used a HY35W turbocharger.


High Output 24V 5.9L Cummins​


Late 2nd Gen Cummins trucks are available in a high-output configuration. The High Output 24V 5.9L Cummins comes with a 6-speed manual transmission. This is slightly different than what we’ve seen Ram do in current times. Manual transmissions are much less capable than Aisin automatic transmissions or even the standard 68RFE. Automatic transmissions in 2000-2002 were not nearly as good as they are now. This NV5600 6-Speed manual transmission is a much better option than early automatic transmissions, especially when it comes to adding aftermarket power.


High Output trucks produced 10 extra horsepower and 45 more lb-ft of torque from the factory. Higher horsepower and torque numbers are easily achieved however and the manual transmission makes it very affordable to support those big numbers. Check out our favorite 2nd Generation Cummins Performance upgrades post to find out what parts you need to add big horsepower and torque numbers to your truck.


2nd Generation Cummins Specs​


Because both 12 valve and 24 valve variations of the Cummins engine are found on the second generation Cummins, pay special attention to the years listed. 2nd Generation Cummins specs are going to vary slightly between model year.
 

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I agree with the comment, 2019 or newer, the new transmission is way better. Yes, the 6.4 tows better than the old 5.9 diesel. More horsepower and way more torque. It tows as good as my old V10, just runs at higher rpm to make its torque. The old V10 was far better than the 5.9 Diesel of that era for torque and horsepower. The old V10 pulled weight much better than the diesel.

Also agree that if you do a lot of towing, move up to the diesel. In Canada, it is currently a no charge upgrade from the 6.4 on 2500 and 3500 pickups.
475 ft/lb vs 460 ft/lb. Way more??
 
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Looks like I'm going to keep it for now.Had no one interested in buying it and i'm not going to give it away.
It runs good and has been dependable.

Just had the ball joints replaced and the A/C serviced a month ago.

Thanks for the replies.
 
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